Windows 8

[Shwaggy]

Nah, this work PC is some old ATI card. Radeon HD 2400 XT.

[Uncle_Mart]

Meh, there goes that idea then I have to admit though, it's really strange why it only affects some. I messed around with themes and settings and checked around google briefly and while I saw people with the same problem, it wasn't enough people to suggest that everyone suffered from it.

After a day or so of using it (ugh, it's still going to take me at least a couple days more to install all my shit I need for work) I have to say I like the response and speed of things. There's nothing I really dislike other than things that can be tweaked (most of the time back to pre windows 8 style lol) but one thing is the list of programs in the metro interface doesn't seem to automatically add all my software that I have installed. I'm starting to think it'll be easier to just have a folder full of shortcuts on my desktop because loading a program seems a little strange in 8 :/

Oh, the new task manager is tits though. Do like.

[sabbath]

Thats not visible at all. The problem came with an update that happened at some point after 8.1 and I found many threads of people complaining so I can only guess you haven't installed the update yet :/ Thankfully, the solution offered by fracture works perfectly and makes them completely visible again (Thanks bud!).

It's well visible to me. Are you sure it's not your monitor calibration?

edit: or do you mean the scrollbar's background?

Edit 2: and btw, isn't the mousewheel more apropriate to scroll (unless you need to scroll very precisely)?

[Uncle_Mart]

Everything else I've ever seen on my monitor displays fine, it's not a calibration problem, I think you're confused to what I'm talking about.

The bar that shows how far through a page or document is defaulted to 192/192/192 (rgb) on a 255/255/255 backround. That's an extremely white grey color, so white in fact that it's almost hard to tell it's actually a grey at all. There are no darker bits on the bottom and top to make it visible.

In this screenie you can see what the tweak did to make it visible. I think because you can't see the bar in the other screenshot that you're thinking I'm describing something else

[sabbath]

This is what I have:



The bar where the scrollbar scrolls is almost white, so I can see how it can go unnoticed in a website with a white background. Is that what you mean?

My doubt is... Why do you need to see it? The small bar that scrolls is all you need to see. And if you hover the mouse cursor over the bar, the scrollbar is highlighted. I actually apreciate how the the scrollbar is less "in your face" in Windows 8/8.1.

[Uncle_Mart]

Yeah, thats what I mean. It's basically almost impossible to see unless you mouse over it.

I'm not sure why you'd want a highly visible scrollbar there without being able to see how far scrolled you are to be honest, surely there's no point at all to having a scrollbar visible if you can't see the amount you've scrolled or have left to scroll? Wouldn't it also make MUCH more sense to allow the user the option to make the scroll point near invisible? I frequently look at the scrollbars for different reasons to see where I am in a document or something. You may not do it yourself, but removing an option for this isn't smart, by anyones standards.

Just to give an example, if I'm looking at a document which has around 500 pages and I'm on page 425 and need to get to somewhere around page 170, would you honestly sit there and scroll wheel through that many pages when you can just grab the scroll bar and move it almost precisely where you need to be? If you got linked directly to page 425 and didn't know how many pages the document had, the first thing you would do is look to the scroll bar to get an idea. Both of these are just two examples of why not being able to see the bar is a massive pain the the behind, something I wouldn't even need to mention if the option was there to be able to see it properly :/

[sabbath]

I understand your reasons, but...

All scrollbars have the same height: from top to bottom of the window. When you see the smaller bar (the one that you can move), you get the idea of how far in the document you are and, judging the size of the bar, how big that document is.

I don't have to see the scrollbar. Just the position and size of the scrolling bar. The little arrows might help to see where's the top or the bottom of the scrollbar, if you really need a reference, but those aren't really needed.

[david5182]

http://www.neowin.net/news/latest-windows-81-update-1-screenshots-show-changes-to-start-screen