US Busts 08/06/2006

LT is not run by feds however so that doesnt apply to this, it was the site security on the busted ones that was lax. Wasnt even just LT, one major usbiz site was also down somehow so theres someone on the UserDB who was unreliable..

[inphi]

its june i can tell

The annual busts usualy show up in late august or later in the fall as people return to school. I believe RELOADED is due for a raid quite soon, give or take 1-2 years.

Eric2203: There is a computer crime division, but I don't think piracy is on their priority list.

its june i can tell

The annual busts usualy show up in late august or later in the fall as people return to school. I believe RELOADED is due for a raid quite soon, give or take 1-2 years.

sadly true...i hope there smart enough to realize that..
hopefully they'll prove everybody wrong and really be invisable and stick around many years to come but than again they have the "looking for talented crackers" in there nfos...(i never get that)..it would suck to be left with only new deviance..lol

[6Jones]

If you're going to make a thread about US busts, at least put the date in US format.

06/08/2006

Power to my peoples!

[[Mystic]]

What fucken idiot hosts a site at a colo? These fuckers deserve to be ass raped.

.us scene is so insecure in general, viva la europea!

Security has nothing to do with it. There is no Norwegian(for example) or Swedish FBI which hunts presites every day and night.

WTF ?! Are you for real ? Security has EVERYTHING to do with it. Most NFO include some way of contacting the group. Even if it's just an anon e-mail address. How hard do you think it is for a police force to set up a box with nice enough specs to attract a group ? Won't take but a few days to set up a site and get groups affil'ed. Then they can just watch their logs grow.

Oh and you think that because there's nothing called 'FBI' in Sweden and/or Norway that there is no computer crime division ? You're fucking delusional ! Reality check: they are out there and they are out to get you. If you can't grasp this concept and the idea that warez is illegal, get out now, or you WILL get caught. Next post, you'll be arguing you're doing nothing wrong... I swear, there should be an IQ test to get even remotely involved in the scene.

You can't set up a nice box and email them to use it.  That's entrapment and the judge will throw out the case.

If you have a nice server sitting around, they'd have to approach you and ask you if they can use it then you can bust them.

[Eric2203]

.us scene is so insecure in general, viva la europea!

Security has nothing to do with it. There is no Norwegian(for example) or Swedish FBI which hunts presites every day and night.

WTF ?! Are you for real ? Security has EVERYTHING to do with it. Most NFO include some way of contacting the group. Even if it's just an anon e-mail address. How hard do you think it is for a police force to set up a box with nice enough specs to attract a group ? Won't take but a few days to set up a site and get groups affil'ed. Then they can just watch their logs grow.

Oh and you think that because there's nothing called 'FBI' in Sweden and/or Norway that there is no computer crime division ? You're fucking delusional ! Reality check: they are out there and they are out to get you. If you can't grasp this concept and the idea that warez is illegal, get out now, or you WILL get caught. Next post, you'll be arguing you're doing nothing wrong... I swear, there should be an IQ test to get even remotely involved in the scene.

You can't set up a nice box and email them to use it.  That's entrapment and the judge will throw out the case.

If you have a nice server sitting around, they'd have to approach you and ask you if they can use it then you can bust them.

Which is not gonna happen until they make it know that they have a server available, so it's back to contacting them. How would this get thrown out of court once there are enough logs of copyrighted material being transferred ? I see what you're saying but it happens all the time in various other crime divisions: cops posing as teens in chatrooms to catch pedophiles in but one example.

.us scene is so insecure in general, viva la europea!

Security has nothing to do with it. There is no Norwegian(for example) or Swedish FBI which hunts presites every day and night.

WTF ?! Are you for real ? Security has EVERYTHING to do with it. Most NFO include some way of contacting the group. Even if it's just an anon e-mail address. How hard do you think it is for a police force to set up a box with nice enough specs to attract a group ? Won't take but a few days to set up a site and get groups affil'ed. Then they can just watch their logs grow.

Oh and you think that because there's nothing called 'FBI' in Sweden and/or Norway that there is no computer crime division ? You're fucking delusional ! Reality check: they are out there and they are out to get you. If you can't grasp this concept and the idea that warez is illegal, get out now, or you WILL get caught. Next post, you'll be arguing you're doing nothing wrong... I swear, there should be an IQ test to get even remotely involved in the scene.

You can't set up a nice box and email them to use it.  That's entrapment and the judge will throw out the case.

If you have a nice server sitting around, they'd have to approach you and ask you if they can use it then you can bust them.

Which is not gonna happen until they make it know that they have a server available, so it's back to contacting them. How would this get thrown out of court once there are enough logs of copyrighted material being transferred ? I see what you're saying but it happens all the time in various other crime divisions: cops posing as teens in chatrooms to catch pedophiles in but one example.

In your pedophile example, the undercover officer cannot initiate anything.  The only thing he can really do is just sit and chat like a normal person.  The pedophile would have to initiate everything.  The officer cannot entice anyone to do something illegal.  Remember, don't be an instigator =p

[talax]

qkool, you are incorrect about entrapment.

Just an example, you can find many more examples of this:

http://www.lectlaw.com/def/e024.htm

Pertinent part:
However, there is no entrapment where a person is ready and willing to break the law and the Government agents merely provide what appears to be a favorable opportunity for the person to commit the crime. For example, it is not entrapment for a Government agent to pretend to be someone else and to offer, either directly or through an informer or other decoy, to engage in an unlawful transaction with the person.


Example of entrapment:
A government agent walked up to someone who is not part of the scene, and told him how great the scene is, and that you can get free stuff, and told him how to get on, and then logged his actions, and busted him.

Example of not entrapment:
A known release group is contacted by a government agent that offers the group something (like a fast server), and then proceeds to log the actions of the group, and busts them.

qkool, you are incorrect about entrapment.

Just an example, you can find many more examples of this:

http://www.lectlaw.com/def/e024.htm

Pertinent part:
However, there is no entrapment where a person is ready and willing to break the law and the Government agents merely provide what appears to be a favorable opportunity for the person to commit the crime. For example, it is not entrapment for a Government agent to pretend to be someone else and to offer, either directly or through an informer or other decoy, to engage in an unlawful transaction with the person.


Example of entrapment:
A government agent walked up to someone who is not part of the scene, and told him how great the scene is, and that you can get free stuff, and told him how to get on, and then logged his actions, and busted him.

Example of not entrapment:
A known release group is contacted by a government agent that offers the group something (like a fast server), and then proceeds to log the actions of the group, and busts them.

You're right but:

ENTRAPMENT - A person is 'entrapped' when he is induced or persuaded by law enforcement officers or their agents to commit a crime that he had no previous intent to commit; and the law as a matter of policy forbids conviction in such a case.

But how do you prove someone is intending to prostitute?  Everything points to her being a prostitute, you're undercover, you have a car for transportation, but she could just be a slutty looking person.

On another note:

In slightly different words: Even though someone may have [sold drugs], as charged by the government, if it was the result of entrapment then he is not guilty. Government agents entrapped him if three things occurred:

- First, the idea for committing the crime came from the government agents and not from the person accused of the crime.

- Second, the government agents then persuaded or talked the person into committing the crime. Simply giving him the opportunity to commit the crime is not the same as persuading him to commit the crime.

- And third, the person was not ready and willing to commit the crime before the government agents spoke with him.

There's tons of things he [as in the defendant] could say and do during the operation which could lead to these 3.

The officers also have to prove that the officers did not infringe on the above

Setting up a server and telling some guy he could use it (he's obviously some guy wanting to store illegal software) is not entrapment.  Setting up a server and telling the same guy that he can't put his illegal software on it, is entrapment.  There's a difference between the two.

Although I did say "to use it".  I was saying it under the assumption that "to use it" meant to store illegal software

edit:  I'm wrong/I'm right, who cares...