EX-Razor1911 leader takes stab at "legit" job-4/05

hell if i was a game company i would hire him as well...nothing better than having a reformed "scener" on the team(look at jesper http://www.jesperkyd.com/..i dont think he was just a music guy)...i dont think he would risk losing it all like he did already...and not hard to find if he chose too risk it all again...you gotz to give the guy props for going as far as he did...razor were a huge deal in the game...(now its time to find a reformed fairlight guy's post..hahha  :wink: )-i think they were the most talented...deviance 2nd,rzr 3rd,4th immersion..in my book

Eh, the Hitman composer was in the warez scene?

[Booyakasha]

The whole 'scene' thing and IRC was so addiciting for me when I was younger. It was really stupid overall. I got to the point where I quit going out and partying from when I was 14 til I was 16 because I was so addicted to it. From 16-18 I was still in it and was about to start releasing shit for a group after I'd spent thousands on computer hardware. Then it just hit me. Why? What's the overall point. I used to download all these games and apps and movies and I never put any of them to use. I probably played a handful of the games I had then threw them out. Right at the end of high school I was partying more and doing more fun things and the whole IRC thing just took up to much time and wasn't worth it. I could just go on P2P sites and download the few things I was after and not worry about having '0sec' connections. 6 months after I quit the group I was supposed to be ripping for got busted. Made me think and smile. I was glad I was out when I was. Things only got worse over the years. Now I use my computer just as much but for more productive things like making $ playing poker and doing stock trading. I now just download TV shows, a movie here or there and mp3s. It's much better this way overall. No risk, more time away from it and I enjoy it much better nowadays. Take advice from this guy for all you 'hardcore' sceners, it ain't worth it. This guy knows better than anyone. Also read the previous guy's post from a few years ago, I believe he was busted in 2000 or 2001 and wrote about his experiences. Of course some people have absolutely no life and stay on IRC 24/7 because their 'leet' and it's probably the closest thing to friends that they have.

I echo very much what you say.

But to be fair there is very little point explaining to people
the damage that can be done from somthing so innocent
as sharing or downloading warez. It usually falls on deaf ears from experience.

Wait til you are sharing a cell with someone who fed their partner through a meat mincer and they ask what you in for and you say being part of the ''scene''.

There is a better life out there besides warez people just need
to understand that.

[Phreaker47]

hell if i was a game company i would hire him as well...nothing better than having a reformed "scener" on the team(look at jesper http://www.jesperkyd.com/..i dont think he was just a music guy)...i dont think he would risk losing it all like he did already...and not hard to find if he chose too risk it all again...you gotz to give the guy props for going as far as he did...razor were a huge deal in the game...(now its time to find a reformed fairlight guy's post..hahha  :wink: )-i think they were the most talented...deviance 2nd,rzr 3rd,4th immersion..in my book

Eh, the Hitman composer was in the warez scene?

That reminds me... I used to know the guy (well, I met him in person a couple of times and knew him from BBSs anyway) that ended up forming a little game company called Interplay. He used to crack Apple 2 and Mac games! He called himself "The Jerk". In fact, I remember another friend saying he was going to work for Interplay, and this was long before they started making hit games and getting rich. Years after losing touch with all those people, suddenly Interplay became huge. It was really weird getting the Genesis game "Out Of This World", opening the booklet, and seeing his name in there. I wish I was more motivated back then... I could have possibly been a part of it.

hell if i was a game company i would hire him as well...nothing better than having a reformed "scener" on the team(look at jesper http://www.jesperkyd.com/..i dont think he was just a music guy)...i dont think he would risk losing it all like he did already...and not hard to find if he chose too risk it all again...you gotz to give the guy props for going as far as he did...razor were a huge deal in the game...(now its time to find a reformed fairlight guy's post..hahha  :wink: )-i think they were the most talented...deviance 2nd,rzr 3rd,4th immersion..in my book

Eh, the Hitman composer was in the warez scene?

That reminds me... I used to know the guy (well, I met him in person a couple of times and knew him from BBSs anyway) that ended up forming a little game company called Interplay. He used to crack Apple 2 and Mac games! He called himself "The Jerk". In fact, I remember another friend saying he was going to work for Interplay, and this was long before they started making hit games and getting rich. Years after losing touch with all those people, suddenly Interplay became huge. It was really weird getting the Genesis game "Out Of This World", opening the booklet, and seeing his name in there. I wish I was more motivated back then... I could have possibly been a part of it.

I left the 'scene' back in 1999, I lost contact with most people and have now just started catching up with them.

It's actually quite funny how everyone turned out. Most people run successfull computer businesses of some kind. People have grown up and had families.

There was alot of talent back then. I don't there is so much now.

[0 morgan 0]

The whole 'scene' thing and IRC was so addiciting for me when I was younger. It was really stupid overall. I got to the point where I quit going out and partying from when I was 14 til I was 16 because I was so addicted to it. From 16-18 I was still in it and was about to start releasing shit for a group after I'd spent thousands on computer hardware. Then it just hit me. Why? What's the overall point. I used to download all these games and apps and movies and I never put any of them to use. I probably played a handful of the games I had then threw them out. Right at the end of high school I was partying more and doing more fun things and the whole IRC thing just took up to much time and wasn't worth it. I could just go on P2P sites and download the few things I was after and not worry about having '0sec' connections. 6 months after I quit the group I was supposed to be ripping for got busted. Made me think and smile. I was glad I was out when I was. Things only got worse over the years. Now I use my computer just as much but for more productive things like making $ playing poker and doing stock trading. I now just download TV shows, a movie here or there and mp3s. It's much better this way overall. No risk, more time away from it and I enjoy it much better nowadays. Take advice from this guy for all you 'hardcore' sceners, it ain't worth it. This guy knows better than anyone. Also read the previous guy's post from a few years ago, I believe he was busted in 2000 or 2001 and wrote about his experiences. Of course some people have absolutely no life and stay on IRC 24/7 because their 'leet' and it's probably the closest thing to friends that they have.

I echo very much what you say.

But to be fair there is very little point explaining to people
the damage that can be done from somthing so innocent
as sharing or downloading warez. It usually falls on deaf ears from experience.

Wait til you are sharing a cell with someone who fed their partner through a meat mincer and they ask what you in for and you say being part of the ''scene''.

There is a better life out there besides warez people just need
to understand that.

Completely agree seemed the "cool" thing to be doing back in the day used to have a dedicated box set up for IRC duties. Didnt really understand how much trouble you could get in too but we all just did it. Its always interesting to go back to the old IRC channels and most of them still exsist with a few of the more "hardcore" members intact who will always recognise you. Despite the "IRC Fame" the benefits were minimum. Fuck these days its not all about having inside connections or access to 0Sec Top Sites. 99% of the time the release is up on torrent in a few minutes.

I remember the days of waiting around the early hours of the morning before a major release (normally thursday in to friday) waiting for some group to pop one out from an early source so we could start distributing. Camping IRC channels months in advance of a major game release so you could secure access to the channel and set up bots. So lame looking back on it considering how easy it is to get stuff these days.

[g]

I'm 24, totally addicted to the internet and IRC, been into it since 98, and even though I have a job now, I don't really see a reason to stop.
I love technology, I love the whole vibe of everything, and to me it's much more interesting to learn perl or manage my box, rather than go out and party.

While a few years ago I did not really realize I was addicted, I just did it, I am now a bit more reflected and I do realize there are other things out there.
But reading this thread gives me nostalgia.. Back then with the 10mbit bbb sites(2000ish) to then actually supplying mp3, I get a warm feeling in my heart.. I had a lot of good times on the internet, with MUD's, avpmud, awakemud, was staff member on latter, to the 'hacking' period where we would do crap like deface sites and root shitty boxes in some weird country..

Ah yes.. Good times.. But the thing is it hasn't really ended..
Now I'm working on my next album, which is taking up a lot of time on the computer, I'm downloading various stuff, I'm in several IRC chans on efnet, I run a box, reading up on technology things like programming and tech forums, playing CS(which has also taken up a lot of time since like 2003), and various other shit.

I mean, t69's post especially hit home for me, seeing as I feel like he did then, only I'm not really stopping.
I got new projects planned that needs doing and all in all it's pretty good right now.
I guess I'm one of the more involved people regarding the internet, I practically live here, but lately I have honestly gotten a bit of a more laid back attitude.
If I want to I can go outside and just do whatever I want, hang out and so forth.
I'm not really obligated to stay in although we have had a couple of those in the last weeks, but it's nothing major.

I will always be a huge geek though.. And I feel like I'm just getting started.. There are still many years to come, and many more technologies to embrace that will revolutionize the way we do things, and I can't wait to be here when it happens.
Is it worth going to jail for? Maybe, maybe not, I honestly don't know since I've never been to jail, but at least I won't have wasted my life, even if I go to jail for whatever reason.

I think all you guys are so fucking c00l, with your 1337 shit and big e-dicks, this is what makes isonews so great.

[0 morgan 0]

I think all you guys are so fucking c00l, with your 1337 shit and big e-dicks, this is what makes isonews so great.

Kazza was pretty big back in 2004 right!

I think all you guys are so fucking c00l, with your 1337 shit and big e-dicks, this is what makes isonews so great.

Kazza was pretty big back in 2004 right!

Its still fucking big, I get all my 0-day shit from it its so fucking awesome, Today I downloaded the matrix reloaded man this movie is kick ass, I have no idea wtf the story is about but there are so many hot chicks getting fucked its UNBELIEVABLE, this has to be the best movie ever. Then I downloaded this game Far Cry man its like the most overrated piece of crap ever, all I do in the game is close down popups asking me to enlarge my penis and others that tell me I can win big in online gambling, Thank you Kazaa you saved me from buying that peice of crap.
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Kazaa is like a box of chocolates you never know what your going to get.

[inphi]

There are plenty of large scale pirates running/working for legit developing companies/other venues and have been for a long time. C64 crews ended up doing Amiga titles and amiga crews ended up doing PC titles.. One of the most succesful "cross overs" must be the DICE guys in Sweden putting out the Battlefield series, of course they learned from the past and made them multiplayer only with key requirement.

That reminds me... I used to know the guy (well, I met him in person a couple of times and knew him from BBSs anyway) that ended up forming a little game company called Interplay. He used to crack Apple 2 and Mac games! He called himself "The Jerk". In fact, I remember another friend saying he was going to work for Interplay, and this was long before they started making hit games and getting rich. Years after losing touch with all those people, suddenly Interplay became huge. It was really weird getting the Genesis game "Out Of This World", opening the booklet, and seeing his name in there. I wish I was more motivated back then... I could have possibly been a part of it.

While that's nice and all, he then ran his company into the ground.

[warezlove]

Yes, for what have been said in the previous posts. I think the scene will dissolve more and more... There is no true benefit to be in the scene to get the new releases faster. They just go from point A to point B so fast now that the benefits outweight the time spent on it greatly.

I mean, you can say, I got it at 22:01 from the topsite... and the other will tell you... Oh, it showed up on whatever BitTorrent site a few minutes later.

Just as an example, I remember the last episode of 24. I wanted to see the episode as soon as possible, but without watching it on TV when it aired. I was checking around the major torrent websites and I think I started downloading the episodes about 40 mins after the show was over on television. That is, the official "scene" release. Oh ok, the download wasn't super incredibly fast, but the matter of the fact is, I don't see why I would dedicate so much time and energy to "work" for the scene in order to get access to those releases just so I can be the one to bring them on to torrent sites or something.

[speiz]

That reminds me... I used to know the guy (well, I met him in person a couple of times and knew him from BBSs anyway) that ended up forming a little game company called Interplay. He used to crack Apple 2 and Mac games! He called himself "The Jerk". In fact, I remember another friend saying he was going to work for Interplay, and this was long before they started making hit games and getting rich. Years after losing touch with all those people, suddenly Interplay became huge. It was really weird getting the Genesis game "Out Of This World", opening the booklet, and seeing his name in there. I wish I was more motivated back then... I could have possibly been a part of it.

While that's nice and all, he then ran his company into the ground.

Well, that probably had something to do with them trying to get into the console market, and wasn't able to develop games that was fit for that market. Consoles suck this way.

You can thank them for the following titles:

Alone in the Dark
Another World
Baldur's Gate
Bard's Tale
Descent
Fallout
Kingpin: Life of Crime

While they didn't develop all of those games on their own, they had a big part of it.

[Digital Chaos]

What a great article. Thanks alot a great find. This made me miss my SUPRA14400 baud modem.  

[azrael69]

t69 already stated my situation, because it was his.

yeah, I was in it about knee-deep for awhile from about 98 to the end of 2000, basically courier shit and coordinating setting up additional ftps.  a few things later than 2000 that i can't admit to (statute of limitations in effect and it's pretty damning).  i sensed the addictive nature of it all, that i was caught up, and that there was no "reward" other than a general feeling of deviant-geek-superiority and nothing but great risks.  realizing that wore on me and i started to try and make myself less noticeable.  eventually i just found no need for maintaining contact with it all aside from ability to get things quickly -- big fucking deal, wait a little and find it anyways.

my downloading has gone down by about 99.9% as i've grown up and stepped into the adult realm.  that 99.9% figure is not an exaggeration.  and about 85% of it all probably never even got touched once it got put on a CD.  earlier this year i cleaned myself out of literally 2000+ burnt cdrs that i felt i would never use.

i tell you what though, if i had read not just this but all the other stuff i've seen recently having to do with piracy busts, i would've pulled the plug on every single aspect of *my* involvement at the mid-level