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i'm quite disappointed with the
The.Dark.Knight.2008.PROPER.1080p.BluRay.x264-CiNE release.
Yes the imax scenes totally fill my screen but all the other ones go back to having 2 black bars at the top and bottom of the screen, i like everything to be in order and this is just anarchy for me 
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It's either cropping or stretching, I'd go for cropping.
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Mhykul
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Ok finally saw this
Bale: C (The voice knocked it down
Ledger: B (WTF is with you guys getting erections over his performance? He was good but not that great)
Story: A (liked it as it wasn't as typical as you expect, treated them less like superheroes and more like humans in how they did things, i.e. no "Smilex gas")
Overall: B
Good movie, not super fantabulous awesome or anything, maybe I was expecting more due to all the hype, but whatever, it was watchable, but no one is going to win an Oscar (living or dead) over this movie.
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| Mhykul wrote: | Ok finally saw this
Bale: C (The voice knocked it down
Ledger: B (WTF is with you guys getting erections over his performance? He was good but not that great)
Story: A (liked it as it wasn't as typical as you expect, treated them less like superheroes and more like humans in how they did things, i.e. no "Smilex gas")
Overall: B
Good movie, not super fantabulous awesome or anything, maybe I was expecting more due to all the hype, but whatever, it was watchable, but no one is going to win an Oscar (living or dead) over this movie. |
If Ledger is a B than an actor doing Joker at the A level is actually a gorgeous woman blowing me. Seriously, where did he have room to improve?
and i think the voice criticism need to shove it -- batman is scary, dammit! |
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| Considering the material he has to deliver throughout the movie i don't consider Ledger's performance to be really spectacular. It's not like he's among the cast of Glengarry Glen Ross or something. It's pretty standard stuff which he did good, but people tend to overreact when an actor dies. Suddenly he's some kind of acting god. |
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i dont think he got praised for his performance cause he died...sure it helped a bit for ticket sales and such BUT he DID do a killer job...
the way he was presented to us was fuckn creepy...the licking of the chops,the overall presence he brought-not just the makeup job....he could still sell the character even with no makeup on and youd think he was insane....
i dont think most people on here KNOW how hard it would be to pull off a performance of any kind in real life not to mention playing the joker...not easy...
if you look ay his past work he WAS a killer actor...no doubt...
knights tale was great and i hate those type of flicks..
i never saw the gay cowboy movie but from the clips ive seen on tv,etc the dude can play any charactor...
mhykul...dude...a B???? how bout a B+ or even a A-!!! there was alot of shit going on thruout the flick...AND it all ties in well... what were you expecting?
if you can break down scripts/lines,etc you would see it was well written/done.. unlike that new bond which was mehhh..
though i still think "batman begins" was slightly better..and i never even liked batman in the 1st place! these new ones have sold me though..still not a batman lover but i do enjoy a good story
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It's all in the details, Ledger has produced one of the most psychotic characters in filming history. Even his composure and walk was brilliantly put. I agree about Bale's voice, it was bit too much.
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OmegaVader
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| 0Tolerence wrote: | | Considering the material he has to deliver throughout the movie i don't consider Ledger's performance to be really spectacular. It's not like he's among the cast of Glengarry Glen Ross or something. It's pretty standard stuff which he did good, but people tend to overreact when an actor dies. Suddenly he's some kind of acting god. |
it'd undoubtable that his death impacted ticket sales positively, but his performance was well anticipated before his untimely demise. Let's not be revisionist, now -- the real impact on his death, critically, is that people have an unwarranted excuse to say he isn't as good an actor as he was.
To call his performance "standard" is...incredibly idiotic. I'l ask again the question no one has answered -- where did he have room to improve? |
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| OmegaVader wrote: | | To call his performance "standard" is...incredibly idiotic. I'l ask again the question no one has answered -- where did he have room to improve? |
I absolutely agree. To me he played the character perfectly.
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Mhykul
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If Ledger is a B than an actor doing Joker at the A level is actually a gorgeous woman blowing me. Seriously, where did he have room to improve?
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A: Excellent, perfect, the actor who's playing this character MAKES the character who he is, not the other way around.
B: Good, nothing wrong with it, you simply lived up to what that character should be.
C: Ok... subpar, You do the job and got your paycheck
D: Mediocre, character could have been replaced with just about anything else or removed all together and it would be no loss
F: The fact this character/actor was in the movie, made the whole movie suck.
It wasn't that there was room for Ledger to improve per say, it was simply a good performance of an already establish character (the Joker), he didn't make the Joker what it was, he fit the mold of what it should have been done. I'll agree I liked Ledger more than Nicholson, but mostly due to the more cartoony feel that was the vision of Tim Burton. I expected the Joker to be that psychotic fuck, and Ledger delivered, not "WOW where did that come from, HOLY SHIT, that's they way that character NEEDS to be portraited!"
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mhykul...dude...a B???? how bout a B+ or even a A-!!! there was alot of shit going on thruout the flick...AND it all ties in well... what were you expecting? |
I was trying to keep things simple, Excellent, good, ok, mediocre, poor i.e 1-5 scale, didn't want to divide it up too much.
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Ledger was great.
Unfortunately...Bale, Gylenhall, Harvey Dent were horrible.
I'm amazed people love this movie so much and I think it has a lot to do with the hype of Ledger dying/his great performance as much as people want to deny it. He's the shining light in an otherwise painfully long only decent movie. There have been other less than good movies with great performances...it doesn't make them great movies.
I mean honestly, do any of you think Two Face's character warranted an extra hour of the movie? Do you really think his costume/makeup was any good? They're clearly going for a more "real" Batman and they tack him on at the end as a hideously cartoony character in an otherwise pretty good crime fantasy movie.
Two-Face should've been a great character, and he should've had his own movie. Instead, he's twice now been shoehorned into movies as second fiddle to another villain.
And you know what? As good as Ledger was, I still say Nicholson was better. Yep. Burton's first Batman is still my favorite and I think it's much closer to the comic books than these new ones.
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| Mhykul wrote: | | OmegaVader wrote: |
If Ledger is a B than an actor doing Joker at the A level is actually a gorgeous woman blowing me. Seriously, where did he have room to improve?
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A: Excellent, perfect, the actor who's playing this character MAKES the character who he is, not the other way around.
B: Good, nothing wrong with it, you simply lived up to what that character should be.
C: Ok... subpar, You do the job and got your paycheck
D: Mediocre, character could have been replaced with just about anything else or removed all together and it would be no loss
F: The fact this character/actor was in the movie, made the whole movie suck.
It wasn't that there was room for Ledger to improve per say, it was simply a good performance of an already establish character (the Joker), he didn't make the Joker what it was, he fit the mold of what it should have been done. I'll agree I liked Ledger more than Nicholson, but mostly due to the more cartoony feel that was the vision of Tim Burton. I expected the Joker to be that psychotic fuck, and Ledger delivered, not "WOW where did that come from, HOLY SHIT, that's they way that character NEEDS to be portraited!"
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mhykul...dude...a B???? how bout a B+ or even a A-!!! there was alot of shit going on thruout the flick...AND it all ties in well... what were you expecting? |
I was trying to keep things simple, Excellent, good, ok, mediocre, poor i.e 1-5 scale, didn't want to divide it up too much. |
I still feel you havent answered the question. where did he even have room to 'make it his own' anymore than he already had?
I feel maybe he did so well, you were even deceived into thinking that character was on paper already. That he was just that damn convincing. |
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I still feel you havent answered the question. where did he even have room to 'make it his own' anymore than he already had?
I feel maybe he did so well, you were even deceived into thinking that character was on paper already. That he was just that damn convincing. |
Well it's really hard to say what he could have done to make it better, it's not as black and white as saying "he should be limping more or something" especially when he's within the confines of the script. I would say the Joker could have been even MORE psychotic, maybe more of the psycho laughing, again the script thing but it really didn't seem like he had a fearful respect from anyone except when a knife was put to them or something, lots of little things that most likely were not Ledger's fault, but still "could have been better".
The Joker of this movie (and the movie itself) was a completely different beast from other Batman movies (fine I'll restrict it to the original only) and even the cartoons & comics. A different vision on how it went and it's great it really is. I just don't think that Ledger did so good that he blew me away, like apparently he did with you.
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| LARM wrote: | | Burton's first Batman is still my favorite and I think it's much closer to the comic books than these new ones. |
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I think that it's a matter of taste this Joker thing. As much as I like Nicholson and his translation of the Joker, Ledger is far superior. For one, he displays a bipolar brilliantly. The Joker here isn't your typical crazy villain, you don't fear him just by looking at him. He just looks and acts like a fool. The "fear factor" is in his capabilities, you don't know what he will do. Unpredictable, that's the worst kind of evil imo. Nicholson's Joker was pretty much a standard bad guy doing bad shit. I think Alfred's little story about Birma tells it all, Joker has no reason or motivation, he just does bad because he does bad.
As for Ledger's performance, as I said it's all in the details. He doesn't portray a typical crazy Joker like most actors would do, him not laughing all the time is actually a great thing. The way he walks, the way he licks his lips, the way he uses his voice, it's all pure brilliance. A director can't teach that shit, it's probably all Ledger. Ledger dying or living is irrelevant to his performance, his death in no way makes his performance better or worse.
As for the movie, I've watched it again just now and I think it's a bit too long. The movie should've been two hours max.
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| I think Ledger's Joker was not as insane as he could make him to be because the story had to make a point of everything. The Joker in TDK is an agent of chaos, he said as much, and to me that kind of puts a little bullseye on what he's about. If his motivations were less clear and a bit more... insane, perhaps less grandiose and more confounding. Good example would be the Joker in comic book this movie was loosely adapted from. The Joker in that book was not really that important to the plot but it was typical Joker madness. I guess Joker's role in the movie made it more necessary to prop him up but all in all I thought it turned out pretty well. |
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i guess everybdy got there view points
but regarding him being more psychotic,what made his version cool was that its by a real man..he wasnt made out to be a assclown and stuff..hes just a sick fucker who wants to see shit burn..haha
as sick as he is he's still very highly intelligent...
even in the old tv show versions he was still kinda "campy" and "goofy" which was ok but him being more of a man per say it sold it better i think...he still has his quirks but not in that silly way
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I dunno, he was good to be sure, but the greatest thing since sliced bread people seem to make it out? Everyone's got an opinion. I think if anything he seemed to shine more as a result of the mediocre acting of everyone else.
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| mister_s wrote: | I think that it's a matter of taste this Joker thing. As much as I like Nicholson and his translation of the Joker, Ledger is far superior. For one, he displays a bipolar brilliantly. The Joker here isn't your typical crazy villain, you don't fear him just by looking at him. He just looks and acts like a fool. The "fear factor" is in his capabilities, you don't know what he will do. Unpredictable, that's the worst kind of evil imo. Nicholson's Joker was pretty much a standard bad guy doing bad shit. I think Alfred's little story about Birma tells it all, Joker has no reason or motivation, he just does bad because he does bad.
As for Ledger's performance, as I said it's all in the details. He doesn't portray a typical crazy Joker like most actors would do, him not laughing all the time is actually a great thing. The way he walks, the way he licks his lips, the way he uses his voice, it's all pure brilliance. A director can't teach that shit, it's probably all Ledger. Ledger dying or living is irrelevant to his performance, his death in no way makes his performance better or worse.
As for the movie, I've watched it again just now and I think it's a bit too long. The movie should've been two hours max. |
The comparison is flawed because Nicholson's joker has a totally different script/setting and time. That and the fact Nicholson borrows from the comic joker more heavily than Ledger does in being over the top as "the funny guy". I think they both have merit and i'm still partial to Nicholson's colorful performance of the Joker. |
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| 0Tolerence wrote: | | mister_s wrote: | I think that it's a matter of taste this Joker thing. As much as I like Nicholson and his translation of the Joker, Ledger is far superior. For one, he displays a bipolar brilliantly. The Joker here isn't your typical crazy villain, you don't fear him just by looking at him. He just looks and acts like a fool. The "fear factor" is in his capabilities, you don't know what he will do. Unpredictable, that's the worst kind of evil imo. Nicholson's Joker was pretty much a standard bad guy doing bad shit. I think Alfred's little story about Birma tells it all, Joker has no reason or motivation, he just does bad because he does bad.
As for Ledger's performance, as I said it's all in the details. He doesn't portray a typical crazy Joker like most actors would do, him not laughing all the time is actually a great thing. The way he walks, the way he licks his lips, the way he uses his voice, it's all pure brilliance. A director can't teach that shit, it's probably all Ledger. Ledger dying or living is irrelevant to his performance, his death in no way makes his performance better or worse.
As for the movie, I've watched it again just now and I think it's a bit too long. The movie should've been two hours max. |
That and the fact Nicholson borrows from the comic joker more heavily than Ledger does in being over the top as "the funny guy". |
....how about a magic trick?
I actually contest your assesment. I found Ledger's Joker to be far more Joker-ish than any previous one...especially in this post-Frank Miller era. I'm glad to see the 'camp' of batman give way to a serious and dark tone. Don't get me wrong, I loved the Burton films, but Batman is far more Batman-ish than he's ever been in cinema. |
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| mister_s wrote: | I think that it's a matter of taste this Joker thing. As much as I like Nicholson and his translation of the Joker, Ledger is far superior. For one, he displays a bipolar brilliantly. The Joker here isn't your typical crazy villain, you don't fear him just by looking at him. He just looks and acts like a fool. The "fear factor" is in his capabilities, you don't know what he will do. Unpredictable, that's the worst kind of evil imo. Nicholson's Joker was pretty much a standard bad guy doing bad shit. I think Alfred's little story about Birma tells it all, Joker has no reason or motivation, he just does bad because he does bad.
As for Ledger's performance, as I said it's all in the details. He doesn't portray a typical crazy Joker like most actors would do, him not laughing all the time is actually a great thing. The way he walks, the way he licks his lips, the way he uses his voice, it's all pure brilliance. A director can't teach that shit, it's probably all Ledger. Ledger dying or living is irrelevant to his performance, his death in no way makes his performance better or worse.
As for the movie, I've watched it again just now and I think it's a bit too long. The movie should've been two hours max. |
I completely agree and would also add that i didn't even see ledger while watching his performance, he became the joker. Before TDK came out i placed doubt on a new joker outdoing Nicholson's joker, Ledger put Jack to shame. Don't get me wrong I still think Jack's Joker was great for the over-the-top comic character but Ledger made him real, this is the Joker you're glad is only in the movie because no one could handle a maniac like this.
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I thing these clips sums up the two joker versions, its the crashing of the mob meeting from both movies.
Jacks Joker.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpDQAMPCwuY
Heaths Joker.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8pSDdcyKSY
I like Jacks joker better, he come off more as a boss and a complete lunie in a funny kind a way.
Heaths one is more slimy and dark, and also kinda phatetic in his stance I think, and I for one dont like his lip licking and that noisy chewing thing he does when talking, it really annoyed me.
but whatever they both do a great job, It just comes down to personal taste I think, and I happen to like Jacks version better. |
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Also noticing those two clips, Jack's joker had the mouth piece or whatever it was that gave him the perma-grin. Heath's simply had the red lipstick/paint, so Heath had the advantage of facial expressions and the like which could add to what he's doing.
They're two different beasts though, IMO you can't say one is "better" than the other, only which version you like better.
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I finally saw it last night and thought the movie was awesome. Ledgers performance was brilliant IMO. The part where he burns the money, stating he's a simple man with cheap tastes and the things he likes like TNT, gunpowder and gasoline just did a great job of showing the pure insanity of the character. I love the new dark atmosphere of the new batman movies and thought this one didn't disappoint.
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Eddie Murphy as the new Riddler? |
Hahaha, fucking bullshit.
First, Nolan hasn't even confirmed yet that he will be back for a third one. And then, he said a lot of times he will not include Robin in his movies.
Oh and I've recently re-watched this on Blu-ray... BEAUTIFUL. 
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| trick91 wrote: | http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/story/0,28383 ,24817869-7485,00.html
Eddie Murphy as the new Riddler? |
This has to be a fucking joke |
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| trick91 wrote: | http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/story/0,28383 ,24817869-7485,00.html
Eddie Murphy as the new Riddler? |
like geetard said, nolan isn't interested in Robin, and neither is the theme of the Bale trilogy. The studio wouldn't fuck up a good thing. There's simply no way to translate Robin into any seriousness. |
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